Legislature(1995 - 1996)

03/21/1996 08:00 AM House STA

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 HB 371 - RIGHTS OF TERMINALLY ILL PERSONS                                   
                                                                               
 The next order of business to come before the House State Affairs             
 Committee was HB 371.                                                         
                                                                               
 CHAIR JAMES called on Representative Kay Brown, sponsor of HB 371.            
                                                                               
 Number 0868                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE KAY BROWN expressed her appreciation of the House              
 State Affairs Committee for looking at this issue today.  The issue           
 was both profound and emotional.  She explained when she introduced           
 HB 371 the situation was somewhat different than today.  At that              
 time, she was seeking to legalize the opportunity for a terminally            
 ill competent adult to receive the assistance of a doctor to end              
 his or her life in a dignified manner.  However, since the                    
 introduction of HB 371, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals had                
 recognized the right to die with dignity as a constitutional                  
 liberty for those that were terminally ill and competent.  She                
 referred the committee members to the summary of findings by Terri            
 Lauterback, Legislative Counsel.  The summary outlined the                    
 provisions of the decision in the Compassion in Dying, et al. v.             
 State of Washington case which were similar to the provisions in HB
 371.  Furthermore, she recognized that there were many different              
 points of view on this issue.  She emphasized that the passage of             
 HB 371 did not require anybody to do anything that did not fit                
 within their own moral code.  However, it did allow those that had            
 a different moral code to act in accordance with their own                    
 conscience.  The legislature should move forward, debate, and                 
 establish appropriate and proper safeguards to exercise this right.           
 The court decision made it difficult, if not impossible, to                   
 prosecute a physician for participating in an act of this nature.             
 Moreover, the words struck down in the state of Washington were               
 similar to the words in the Alaska law.  The public interest was              
 best served by setting the conditions so that all parties were                
 protected.  The safeguards in the law recognizing the state of the            
 legal situation were as followed:                                             
                                                                               
 "The patient must be terminally ill in the opinion of a physician.            
                                                                               
 "The patient must knowingly request life-ending medication in                 
 writing.                                                                      
                                                                               
 "A second, consulting physician must then confirm both the                    
 diagnosis and the patient's mental competence.                                
                                                                               
 "The request must be witnessed by individuals who have nothing to             
 gain from the patient's death and are not connected with the                  
 patient's health care providers.                                              
                                                                               
 "The request must be made at least twice and no fewer than 10 days            
 must pass between a first and second request.                                 
                                                                               
 "The administration of the life-ending medication is solely in the            
 hands of the patient; the patient may change his or her mind at any           
 time.                                                                         
                                                                               
 "Physicians and pharmacists have the absolute and unquestioned                
 right to decline involvement.  Physicians unwilling to participate            
 are not required to refer patients to willing physician (but may              
 not withdraw from the case before the patient obtains the services            
 of an alternate physician).  Under current state law, pharmacists             
 are not required to fill any prescription.                                    
                                                                               
 "Hospitals also have the right to decline involvement.                        
 Institutions unwilling to participate must take all reasonable                
 steps to transfer the patient to his/her home or to an institution            
 which is willing to participate."                                             
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE BROWN further referenced a recent poll that showed             
 strong support for HB 371 in Anchorage.  The results were:  for               
 example, two-thirds were very likely or somewhat likely to support            
 it; 14 percent were very likely or somewhat likely to support it              
 once they learned about the specific provisions and safeguards; and           
 there was overwhelming support that people should have control over           
 their own medical care and their own end-of-life decision.  She               
 urged the committee members to consider the benefits of moving the            
 bill forward to establish a framework rather than leaving the                 
 matter in the hands of the courts and attorneys.  She would be                
 happy to answer any questions.                                                
                                                                               
 CHAIR JAMES called on the first witness via teleconference in                 
 Anchorage, Sylvia Short.                                                      
                                                                               
 Number 1186                                                                   
                                                                               
 SYLVIA SHORT, Member, Alaskans For Death With Dignity, explained              
 the decision of the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals struck down the            
 statutes in the state of Washington that parallel the statutes in             
 Alaska.  Alaska was bound by the decision of the Ninth Circuit                
 Court of Appeals as a member of the circuit.  As a result of the              
 decision, there were not any guidelines or safeguards to support              
 the participating physicians.  The only way to save the state from            
 the needless cost of court cases and from the possibility of                  
 misinterpreting the court decision was to pass HB 371.                        
                                                                               
 CHAIR JAMES called on the next witness via teleconference in                  
 Anchorage, Al Sundquist.                                                      
                                                                               
 Number 1377                                                                   
                                                                               
 AL SUNDQUIST thanked the committee members for his opportunity to             
 testify today.  He expressed his support of HB 371.  He discussed             
 the arbitrary structure of the assisted suicide laws. He cited the            
 development of the Uniform Penal Code and read, "model code reports           
 considered the argument that the criminality of assisted suicide              
 should turn upon the presence of the selfish (indisc.), but                   
 concluded that the life, of course, was to maintain the prohibition           
 and rely on litigation in the sentence."  He said it was time for             
 the acceptance of a compassionate motive for suicide.  Furthermore,           
 he quoted the Archbishop Francis T. Hurley as stating, "I have sat            
 at the bedside of the dying, and I have heard the cries of those in           
 extreme pain.  I found myself praying to God for their speedy                 
 death.  On occasion I have held them in my arms as they died."                
 Assisting their speedy death was a humane and compassionate                   
 solution, according to Mr. Sundquist.  "Let me answer to my God in            
 my own way.  You in the committee have the power to save me from              
 the fearful death solution.  Please pass HB 371."                             
                                                                               
 CHAIR JAMES called on the next witness via teleconference in                  
 Anchorage, Lynn Stimler.                                                      
                                                                               
 Number 1499                                                                   
                                                                               
 LYNN STIMLER, Executive Director, American Civil Liberties Union -            
 Alaska Affiliate (ACLU), said it was clear that the decision of the           
 Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals that a terminally ill competent                
 person had the right to determine the time and manner of his death.           
 This was a very important chance for the legislature to establish             
 boundaries of this new constitutional right.  The ACLU believed               
 that HB 371 would pass constitutional muster under the Ninth                  
 Circuit Court of Appeals' analysis.  She called HB 371 a                      
 responsible attempt to set limits and establish procedures for                
 Alaskans suffering from terminal illnesses.  If the legislature               
 were to do nothing, it would make it more difficult for terminally            
 ill patients to assert their constitutional right.                            
 CHAIR JAMES called on the next witness via teleconference in                  
 Anchorage, Janet Oates.                                                       
                                                                               
 Number 1642                                                                   
                                                                               
 JANET OATES, Director of Marketing and Government/Community                   
 Relations, Providence Health System - Alaska, discovered the                  
 following observation, "my observation is that in the U.S. people             
 often cry `there ought to be a law,' as if that would settle the              
 matter."  Perhaps, the observation reflected the aversion to                  
 struggle with difficult moral issues.  The Providence Health System           
 in Alaska opposed HB 371.  The system opposed it based on the                 
 respect for the sacredness of life, and for the compassionate care            
 of the dying and vulnerable person.  The system felt the growing              
 public support was a result of the fear of losing dignity and                 
 control during the dying process, the fear of un-released pain, the           
 fear of being a burden to the family, and the fear of abandonment             
 by family and friends.  The health care system in general had                 
 failed miserably for the support of a dying person.  The Providence           
 Health System was aggressively promoting better pain management and           
 education for the support of the dying.  Furthermore, the system              
 was concerned because it felt this was a reflection of society's              
 approach of a "quick fix."  She cited the country of Holland where            
 the system was over utilized.  She urged the committee members to             
 give this matter some time.  Pain management was improving everyday           
 to help the dying.  In conclusion she quoted, "laws are powerful              
 ways for society to tell their stories."  Laws did not only reflect           
 the values of society, but also shaped the values.                            
                                                                               
 CHAIR JAMES called on the next witness via teleconference in                  
 Anchorage, Arthur Curtis.                                                     
                                                                               
 Number 1890                                                                   
                                                                               
 ARTHUR CURTIS said as a Minister he pondered the questions of                 
 suffering and life and death often.  The evidence indicated pain              
 could not be controlled to make life liveable and endurable in the            
 thrones of an incurable illness.  Furthermore, science was probably           
 unlikely to make those last days endurable for some illnesses.                
 Moreover, HB 371 established guidelines to ensure that nobody was             
 forced into making a decision against his will.  It did not condone           
 murder or suicide.  It was simply an aide to hasten an inevitable             
 death.  The bill could be competently passed by the legislature to            
 ensure that decisions were made according to a person's own moral             
 and religious belief.                                                         
                                                                               
 CHAIR JAMES called on the next witness via teleconference in                  
 Anchorage, Kent Autor.                                                        
                                                                               
 Number 2028                                                                   
                                                                               
 KENT AUTOR expressed his support of HB 371.  He supported the bill            
 based on the irony that he could be more merciful to his dog than             
 he could be to himself.  The bill enabled his freedom of choice for           
 himself.  It also enabled his doctor to provide the assistance to             
 exercise his right.  The bill also removed government restrictions            
 on individual liberties.  He did not see it as a moral issue or an            
 issue of rights, he saw it as an issue of freedom granted by the              
 constitution.  Finally, the law set forth sensible and effective              
 restrictions to preclude abuse.  Moreover, he stated he had a great           
 deal of experience with death.  It surprised him that humans came             
 into this world the same way, but there were an infinite number of            
 ways to leave it, some better than others.  He asserted the                   
 majority of citizens supported the concept of HB 371.  His                    
 experience in the pet cremation service industry further confirmed            
 the widespread support for medically assisted deaths.  He                     
 reiterated it was ironic that a person could be more merciful                 
 towards his pet than himself.  He stated this was not a matter of             
 managing pain, but of managing the prospect of life's misery.  He             
 thanked the committee members for their time.                                 
                                                                               
 CHAIR JAMES called on the next witness via teleconference in                  
 Anchorage, Kent Woodman.                                                      
                                                                               
 Number 2256                                                                   
                                                                               
 KENT WOODMAN said he had been an Alaskan resident for over 42                 
 years.  He was not here today to discuss his personal illness, but            
 to talk about the duty of the laws.  The United States Ninth                  
 Circuit Court of Appeals just ruled that it was unconstitutional to           
 prohibit a physician assisted end-of-life.  He called it a                    
 "whopping" defeat for the opposition.  The decision was being                 
 studied now by the Attorney General (AG) of Alaska.  Furthermore,             
 the AG had already issued instructions not to prosecute positions             
 under the statutes because they were similar enough to Washington's           
 laws.  The item of a "slippery slope" was dismissed as a pertinent            
 defense.  The most supportive element of the document was that the            
 religious and moral persuasions could not impose their standards on           
 others.  The position further stated laws were needed on the books            
 to set the parameters to prevent abuse.  The failure to pass HB 371           
 this session would force the passage of another bill the next                 
 session that might not be as well crafted.  He called HB 371 an               
 excellent document.                                                           
                                                                               
 TAPE 96-39, SIDE A                                                            
 Number 0049                                                                   
                                                                               
 CHAIR JAMES called on the next witness via teleconference in Delta            
 Junction, Charles Abbott.                                                     
                                                                               
 CHARLES ABBOTT expressed his opposition to HB 371.  He believed               
 that the argument of a person setting his values according to what            
 he felt was right was missing the point.  He equated HB 371 with              
 the abortion issue that argued the death of a child was dignity for           
 the mother.  He also believed that the first death would be "death            
 with dignity," the second would be "death with intimidation," and             
 the third would be "death with abuse."  He thanked the committee              
 members for their time.                                                       
                                                                               
 CHAIR JAMES called on the next witness via teleconference in Mat-             
 Su, Jim Ede.                                                                  
                                                                               
 Number 0117                                                                   
                                                                               
 JIM EDE expressed his support for HB 371.  He supported previous              
 testimony in support of the bill as well.  If, there was any doubt            
 whether or not to support the bill, he suggested studying the                 
 decision of the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals for clarification.             
 He believed in following the law of the land.  He urged the                   
 committee members to pass the bill as quickly as possible.                    
                                                                               
 CHAIR JAMES called on the next witness via teleconference in                  
 Dillingham, Linda Wahl.                                                       
                                                                               
 Number 0211                                                                   
                                                                               
 LINDA WAHL said she had lived in Dillingham since 1968.  She                  
 objected to HB 371 due to the term, "terminally ill."  She cited              
 her daughter was diagnosed as terminally ill in 1990 and was still            
 around due to care and alternative treatment methods.  She                    
 explained a physician in 1991 over medicated her and felt justified           
 in doing so.  It was not asked for nor was she in any condition to            
 ask for it.  She said the decision making powers needed to be                 
 questioned for the terminally ill.  Her daughter was still                    
 considered terminally ill but was a working and productive member             
 of the community.  The issues needed to be looked at closer before            
 adopting an easy-out for people.                                              
                                                                               
 CHAIR JAMES called on the next witness via teleconference in                  
 Fairbanks, Bruce Gordon.                                                      
                                                                               
 Number 0365                                                                   
                                                                               
 BRUCE GORDON expressed his support for HB 371.  He explained his              
 daughter died recently from a terminal illness.  She knew her end             
 was coming soon and was determined to end her life without putting            
 him at risk before current law.  She also knew that under current             
 law her doctor would risk prosecution, if he were to prescribe                
 sufficient pain medication to end her suffering.  Fortunately, she            
 found a non-violent means and died in her own bed.  The freedom               
 that she was searching for was provided for in HB 371.  He                    
 reiterated his support for the bill and urged the committee members           
 to approve it.                                                                
                                                                               
 CHAIR JAMES called on the next witness via teleconference in                  
 Fairbanks, Vicky Lawyer.                                                      
 Number 0509                                                                   
                                                                               
 VICKY LAWYER expressed her support of HB 371.  She shared a story             
 about a friend who suffered from a terminal disease.  Her friend              
 had a living will, but it was not enough to let him die the way he            
 wanted.  He eventually got to the point where he was ready to die,            
 but the laws were in the way.  The only option was to remove his              
 feeding tube and starve to death.  It took two weeks for nature to            
 take its course.  She wondered at what point free will ended                  
 because we assert it everyday.  She explained the two important               
 words today were "decision" and "choice."  This was not a political           
 issue or a religious issues, it was a personal issue.  Her friend             
 was not allowed to die the way he wanted to, and that was the sad             
 part of her story.  Please vote in favor of HB 371.  She thanked              
 the committee members.                                                        
                                                                               
 CHAIR JAMES called on the next witness via off-net in Kotzebue, Al            
 Bowling.                                                                      
                                                                               
 Number 0690                                                                   
                                                                               
 AL BOWLING expressed his support of HB 371.  He was a strong                  
 supporter of the inalienable rights given by the creators of the              
 constitution.  He supported the right, when placed in this                    
 situation, to chose to end the suffering with prescription                    
 medication.  He reiterated the laws that were designed to prevent             
 this choice were unconstitutional and illegal.  The legislature was           
 a body to protect the rights of its citizens and to provide                   
 guidelines.  Preventing the passage of HB 371, would be an attempt            
 to deprive Alaskans of their constitutional right.  It was the                
 moral obligation of the Alaska State Legislature to pass HB 371.              
                                                                               
 CHAIR JAMES called on the next witness via teleconference in Sitka,           
 Christina Perrigo.                                                            
                                                                               
 Number 0801                                                                   
                                                                               
 CHRISTINA PERRIGO said USA Today reported the number of older               
 persons suffering from a terminal illness who attempted suicide due           
 to depression was around 90 percent.  Even Jack Kavorkian said that           
 he considered anyone with a disabling disease who was not depressed           
 as abnormal.  Those who argue in favor of physician assisted                  
 suicide ignore the treatment for depression.  It was the                      
 depression, not the disease, that made a person suicidal.  She was            
 also concerned about the terminally ill circumventing the dying               
 process.  She explained there were five stages in the dying process           
 - denial, anger, bargaining, depressing, and acceptance.  Based on            
 her experience suicide was wrong because it short circuited the               
 five stages of the dying process.  Furthermore, many terminally ill           
 patients would consider suicide because they were pressured into              
 seeing themselves as burdens on their family or society.  The                 
 family members who supported the suicide often unwillingly                    
 supported the notion that the ill family members' life had lost all           
 meaning.  Furthermore, escalating medical costs were a cause for              
 the terminally ill to see themselves as a drain on the economy and            
 society.  She said the "right to die" would become a "duty to die."           
 She lastly referred to Scripture in the Bible.                                
                                                                               
 CHAIR JAMES called on the next witness via teleconference in Sitka,           
 Lloyd Perrigo.                                                                
                                                                               
 Number 0975                                                                   
                                                                               
 LLOYD PERRIGO asked the committee members to give the bill long               
 consideration.  He was concerned for the elders.  Those who were              
 elderly now or classified as terminally ill might feel a duty to              
 end their lives because of their strong independence and their                
 desire to not be a burden.  They needed our protection and suicide            
 was not a treatment for depression.  There were effective means to            
 deal with depression for terminally ill patients.  Furthermore, he            
 was concerned for himself, his children, and his grandchildren.  He           
 wondered what would happen in 30 years, for example, if the bill              
 was to pass.  He felt it would not be safe to live in Alaska.  He             
 was afraid the bill would transfer to those that were not                     
 terminally ill creating involuntary deaths.  He reiterated, to                
 protect the elders and everybody for the future, he urged the                 
 committee members to not support the bill.                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIR JAMES called on the next witness via teleconference in                  
 Anchorage, Renee Murray.                                                      
                                                                               
 Number 1109                                                                   
                                                                               
 RENEE MURRAY said she was a 42 year Alaskan resident.  She                    
 expressed her support of HB 371.  It was a personal choice,                   
 according to the bill.  The decision could not be made by the                 
 family or the doctor, it must be made by the individual.  She also            
 felt very strongly about HB 371 because she was a senior citizen.             
 She wanted to be able to make a choice in her life.  She did not              
 see a reason for others to be involved in the last choice she would           
 ever have to make.  She wanted to reserve that last right.  She               
 further believed it was a constitutional right as well.                       
                                                                               
 CHAIR JAMES called on the first witness in Juneau, Beverly Haywood.           
                                                                               
 Number 1243                                                                   
                                                                               
 BEVERLY HAYWOOD, Co-Chairperson, Juneau Unitarian Fellowship, said            
 the Fellowship unanimously supported HB 371.  Furthermore, in 1988            
 after several years of study the Unitarian Universalist Association           
 of North American passed a resolution in favor of the right to die            
 with dignity.  The Association was a mainstream Protestant Church.            
 She read the resolution into the record.                                      
                                                                               
 "Guided by our belief as Unitarian Universalist that human life has           
 inherent dignity, which may be compromised when life is extended              
 beyond the will or ability of a person to sustain that dignity; and           
 believing that it is every person's inviolable right to determine             
 in advance the course of action to be taken in the event that there           
 is no reasonable expectation of recovery from extreme physical or             
 mental disability; and                                                        
                                                                               
 "WHEREAS, medical knowledge and technology make possible the                  
 mechanical prolongation of life; and                                          
                                                                               
 "WHEREAS, such prolongation may cause unnecessary suffering and/or            
 loss of dignity while providing little or nothing of benefit to the           
 individual; and                                                               
                                                                               
 "WHEREAS, such procedures have an impact upon a health-care system            
 in which services are limited and are inequitably distributed; and            
                                                                               
 "WHEREAS, differences exist among people over religious, moral, and           
 legal implications of administering aid in dying when an individual           
 of sound mind has voluntarily asked for such aid; and                         
                                                                               
 "WHEREAS, obstacles exist within our society against providing                
 support for an individual's declared wish to die; and                         
                                                                               
 "WHEREAS, many counselors, clergy, and health-care personnel value            
 prolongation of life regardless of the quality of life or will to             
 live;                                                                         
                                                                               
 "THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED:  That the Unitarian Universalist                   
 Association calls upon its congregations and individual Unitarian             
 Universalists to examine attitudes and practices in our society               
 relative to the ending of life, as well as those in other countries           
 and cultures; and                                                             
                                                                               
 "BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED:  That Unitarian Universalists reaffirm               
 their sup[port for the Living Will, as declared in a 1978                     
 resolution of the General Assembly, declare support for the Durable           
 Power of Attorney for Health Care, and seek assurance that both               
 instruments will be honored; and                                              
                                                                               
 "BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED:  That Unitarian Universalists advocate the           
 right to self-determination in dying, and the release from civil or           
 criminal penalties of those who, under proper safeguards, act to              
 honor the right of the terminally ill patients to select the time             
 of their own deaths; and                                                      
                                                                               
 "BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED:  That Unitarian Universalists advocate               
 safeguards against abuses by those who would hasten death contrary            
 to an individual's desires; and                                               
                                                                               
 "BE IT FINALLY RESOLVED:  That Unitarian Universalist, acting                 
 through their congregations, memorial societies, and appropriate              
 organizations, inform and petition legislators to support                     
 legislation that will create legal protection for the right to die            
 with dignity, in accordance with one's own choice."                           
                                                                               
 CHAIR JAMES called on the next witness in Juneau, Ritchie Sonner.             
                                                                               
 Number 1428                                                                   
                                                                               
 RITCHIE SONNER, Executive Director, Hospice and Home Care - Juneau,           
 explained hospice was a form of health care that addressed the                
 terminally ill by providing pain management to keep the patient as            
 comfortable as possible in the comfort of their own environment.              
 It also tried to keep the patient lucid and aware.  Hospice was a             
 recent development in the field of medicine as well as pain                   
 management.  Pain management was now a state of the art treatment             
 method compared to even 10 years ago.  It was still in its                    
 developmental stage.  Hospice opposed HB 371 because it felt that             
 the hospice philosophy of pain management and home care was being             
 provided.  Unfortunately, the medical community was not as educated           
 as it should be and was not aware of the alternatives available.              
 That was the challenge of hospice.  Furthermore, she explained it             
 was not uncommon for someone with a terminal illness to request to            
 end his life.  However, once the pain was brought under control, he           
 was able to experience the remaining days, weeks, or months of his            
 life without requesting to end it again, according to numerous                
 accounts of hospice care providers.  She reiterated Hospice opposed           
 HB 371.                                                                       
                                                                               
 CHAIR JAMES called on the next witness in Juneau, Archbishop                  
 Francis T. Hurley.                                                            
                                                                               
 Number 1539                                                                   
                                                                               
 FRANCIS T. HURLEY, Archbishop, Archdiocese of Anchorage, referred             
 the committee members to his handouts including an article written            
 by himself and an opposition article written by Kent Lee Woodman in           
 the Anchorage Daily News.  The two articles indicated this was a            
 very, very difficult issue.  He came today with a strong background           
 as a Catholic Bishop.  The Catholic Church had a long history of              
 countering pain through hospitals, medical schools and                        
 universities, for example.  It was considered an evil that had to             
 be avoided and stopped if at all possible.  The Church did not                
 believe that one had to suffer to get to heaven, contrary to                  
 allegations.  Furthermore, he explained the Ninth Circuit Court of            
 Appeals' ruling was narrow, and read, "the prescribing of a                   
 medication by a physician for the purpose of enabling a patient to            
 end his life."  The remaining was the opinion of the Court.  He               
 felt confident it was going to be a matter of the United States               
 Supreme Court.  The Court made it clear that the state did have an            
 interest and a right to intervene in this issue.  It was a question           
 of balance, however.  The Court claimed it was its prerogative and            
 not the legislature's.  He wondered if the Court was moving into              
 the legislative mode.  Moreover, HB 371 left many questions                   
 unanswered.  He stated, "all law affects culture and the way we               
 think and the way we act."  The bill would create a coercive                  
 atmosphere among the elderly, he believed.  He was further                    
 concerned about the impact on the native culture.  Furthermore, the           
 law also affected the public attitude towards life.  He also                  
 questioned the ramifications of HB 371 and cited abortion.  The               
 permission for an abortion had led to the idea that the government            
 should pay for an abortion for the poor.  He was concerned of                 
 moving towards a government assisted suicide.  He further raised a            
 legal question and wondered if "incompetent" individuals were                 
 entitled to the same exercises as "competent" individuals.  That              
 legal question had yet to be confronted.  He also believed this was           
 a controversy that would touch more people more profoundly than any           
 other case the courts would see in the foreseeable future.  That              
 was a powerful statement.  In conclusion, he said laws were a                 
 combination of many considerations, not just religion.  These                 
 included, for example:  legal, sociological, psychological,                   
 philosophical, medical, cultural, spiritual, and financial to name            
 a few.  Moreover, this issue evolved around two highly emotionally            
 charged words, "suicide" and "dignity."  He cringed when he heard             
 the word "dignity" associated with the word death.  He had seen,              
 watched, and talked to people that were dying.  He wondered if all            
 the people involved in taking care of the dying and the dying                 
 process itself were not dignified.  He thanked the committee                  
 members for  their time.                                                      

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